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"bill o'reillisy a disgrace to american society. he's full of --" blank. this is not a debate it's a civil war and the other people are using bullets and bombs. i think o'reilly is a fascist and he would fit right in in nazi germany as far as i'm concerned." all that and more now on "countdown." good evening from new york. health care reform smear campaign gradually reveals itself to no longer have anything to do with health care reform. the fifth story in the show, lawmakers and tea party protesters kwardenated revealing the fear soaked seems to have far more to do with anger over who won the last presidential election than it does with who does and does not have health care insurance. mr. obama meeting with a bipartisan group of six senators from the finance committee about the health care bill that appears to be stuck in their
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limited negotiations. after the meeting democrat max baucus say the they described the only bill republicans won't come aboard. "if republicans aren't there, it could get to the point where sometime after the recess democrats have to go in another direction. i hope now, but we have to fate facts." after he said that, we tempted to card him. it was really max baucus. town hall meetings appear to be more about the man senator baucus met with today, president, than about the health care he's trying to enact. and addressing constituents, the friendly crowd loving it when the republican congressman joked about the lynchings democrats are receiving at their own events. >> the difference in the town hall meetings and almost got lynched. [ applause ]
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you're not approving lynchings, because you don't -- but people are really upset at some of this -- and for very good reason they're upset. >> mr. aiken, never assume. largely upset because of 9 misinformation by the republican spin and astroturf groups formed by the health care industry. unlike democrat colleague, congressman aiken did not take questions from his audience. an unruly crowd, the leader of the blue dogs when those congressmen took questions at arkansas children's hospital in little rock, one woman nearly reduced to tears. not because she fears health care will be taken away but she fears her america has been taken away. >> i cannot believe america has turned into what it has turned
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into, and -- i don't think they're going to be able to do it. i'm scared. >> we all are. >> much to talk about with our own john nin alter, senior editor of "newsweek" magazine. thanks for coming in. >> thank you have that scare, that evidence at that town hall meeting and others about the health care plan negotiated by congress or fear and anger about the man who won the presidential election november, last, and is there an odd sense we could have been looking at these videos at something that might have came from a mccain/palin rally? >> right on the edge there of advocating violence, or other kinds of things. there is a kind of crack in the common sense of america right now. you're starting to see that. but in some ways this is. >> for passage of the bill, because if we didn't hear about all this and the anger and wackiness of some of these town
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meetings, we might actually confuse what's going on there with american public opinion, and we're now at a point in our political die loeg whedialogue where we're beyond that. in some ways the backlash has not set in against these town meetings and the kind of behavior we're seeing and it won't have the affect of derailing the bill. might be other things that are bigger problems but the big deficit numberless come out tomorrow, but i don't think these town meetings will send everything off track. >> if republicans like mr. aiken are able to make jokes about lynching, no matter the disclaimer they follow it with, might the white house be willing to go this alone without republicans? is that what this meeting with six senators was about today? >> that is something that president obama does not want to have to do, but he may end up there. it may be like the stimulus, where they get a couple of republicans in the senate, maybe olympia snowe, one or two others, and then the house, they get none nap could very possibly happen. the bigger problem the democrats have right now is with the blue
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dog democrats. they've got to hold them in line. essentially what you have is the republicans are the party of no. the democrats need to be the party of yes. they can argue about the detail, but the idea of sustaining status quo is unacceptable, and democrats all over the country have to just come out and say, we need a bill. argue about what's going to be in it but don't -- don't talk about they're being no bill. >> when you hear some of the things in this, in these, that are actually, that actually supposedly reference health care, some of them ar are no better word for it, so dense as to be amazing. you want to try to back some of these things -- nobody ever hears debunkings, at least we can give it a try. arkansas town hall. this one's kind of standard. >> it's like say 100% of americans, 80% of them have
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insurance. maybe more. i'm saying, it's just the general presence. why do 80% of us have to change and get something that y'all, the government, president obama, is turning in with an agenda? >> yeah! >> why does he have to change our way of life for that 20%? congress' job is to protect us from terrorist, enemy, the foreigners, enemies. >> this is -- there's two elements here. this is the old i've got mine so screw you. i'm in the rowboat you can swim argument, but also the -- you're going to change my insurance thing. how do you answer this sort of deep-seeded emotion behind that clearly not based on fact? >> she's right that 80% have health care. where she's wrong is that somehow if they've got it, it's going to be enough for them, or they're not going to be in
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danger of losing it, should she lose their job opinion a lot of people nowadays, losing their jobs. what she's not factoring in is what happens to people who have some sort of a change that happens in their lives? they get sick, they actually need health insurance and it ends up being like homeowners, you know, insurance. once you have a burglary, they cancel your insurance. that's what health insurance and like and people have not had big health challenges, i haven't, and other, don't understand that just because you're insured doesn't mean you're protected. second thing that she's ignoring is the promise that president obama's made kplp is, if you're happy with your insurance, it's not going to get taken away. if she loves her insurance company, god bless her, but she's not going to have problems with that insurance company, no danger of going bust. they might jack up their premiums on her again, but -- >> or lower it because of competition from the public option. >> she, i think, is pretty confused. she looks like a medicare
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recipient. i love these folks who say, stop socialized medicine but don't touch my medicare. >> sorry. i hate to break it to you, but -- all right. let me move on to this next one here. it hits on an actual problem. >> i don't have health insurance right now, because i am limited to be able to buy simple catastrophic, because congress will not open up the free competition of insurance companies across the state line. in and out of company stock, united health care and i'm making good money at it, you guys are churning the man to the grindstones. >> besides the fact he seems to be making money off the insurance industry, seems to be the headline in this statement, he's correct, because blue cross/blue shield controls three quarters of the market in arkansas and obama said a public option would keep the insurance companies honest. without the public option, what's the answer to this guy's question? >> well, there has to be some kind of cooperative, maybe what they call a souped up
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cooperative, one that can actually withstand pressure from insurance companies which in the past have taken something like blue cross, originally nonprofit and turned it into just another insurance company. the problem with the co-op idea is that they have been putty in the hands of the insurance company, but there still is room for compromise there. they could design a new kind of co-op that could provide some real competition. it could be essentially a public-private option that satisfies enough people to get something through. so i don't think liberals should go public option or bust. there are other alternatives and you have to remember that there are many, many important things in this bill that have become almost non-controversial that two years ago, if you'd been told they're going to end discrimination against people with pre-existing conditions, they're going to insure another 30 million americans, we say, great, where do we sign up?
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and now some progressives are maybe a little bit too wed to the public option. my favorite, too, but we shouldn't go down with the ship, with the public option. >> but, of course, now, as we discussed that relatively narrow debate co-op, public options, super co-op public options, maybe the super cop op is the public option, there's an undercurrent to all this addressed in this next question, which is salve something that actually isn't in the bill, although thousands and millions think it is, this single payer system. listen to this. >> mike and i do not support a single payer system. we're not interested in a single payer system. intere interested -- >> that's what obama wants. >> no, it's not what president obama wants. >> yes it is! >> the congressman spends nine hav hours trying to convince the crowd the public option is not actually in the bill nor the public option is in the bill but the single fair system is not in the bill but fox comes on spending 24 hours a day saying
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it in in the bill. the right wing machine has scored a victory in this to get this into people's heads. have they not? >> yes, they shout all day, rush limbaugh and all of rest of them, that this is a trojan horse for a single payer plan, and it is, you know -- it is possible that over time, this will morph into something that resembles single payer, but it's not right now, an the insurance companies are in no danger of going out of business under this bill, under any version of this bill. so if we do end up with a single payer plan, it won't be for many, many years, and people argue to the contrary are just lying about the particulars of this program. obama by design did not move to single pay because he realized that the country wasn't ready for it. >> we have news that cash or clunkers has just passed which we'll get to detail the ex-next a minute. this last piece of tape, the
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heart of the thing. the last question went into a log diatribe asserting the president would somehow get his legislation passed without congress. just go and make it happen, he's dictator obama not the president, and she ended with this piece of tape. >> i don't believe sincerely -- i don't believe that the constitution of the united states of america is going to be upheld in this issue. >> we've seem to have come full circle here. paranoia, anger and my america. what happened to the debate about health care? how did these people get convinced they're going to be what, burned at the stake? is that what they expect to have happen here? >> look, anytime you have wrenching social change, which this is a big piece of legislation, you're going to have a lot of folks who are going to be anxious about it. that's something i'm sympathetic to this woman, but if you pay
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close attention, you recognize that all of this is very much alarmist, a median strip of american politics, not out to the left and certainly not out to the right. it's not going to make a huge difference in most people's lives. all it's going to do is give people more choice, hopefully lower costs over time, even though will cost more initially, and end the fear that all of us should have of what happens to us should we lose our jobs and get sick. for us, not addressing that, to just continue to discriminate against people who are ill, that's the real outrage, and, really, has to be ended this fall. >> you used a phrase perhaps should have been used all along. we are discriminating against people who are ill. stell that way. maybe that would have gotten across more easily. >> a civil rights issue. >> it s. also a security issue. people should not have to worry.
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this was the theme of fdr's presidency. i'm kind of upset here, that social security, then collective security, internationally. this is health security. it's completing fdr's unfinished agenda. people shouldn't have to worry about this. it's bad enough to be sick without having to worry about how you're going to pay for it. that's what barack obama's own mother went through at the end of her life. it's just wrong that americans should have to endure that, in 2009. >> jonathan alter of "newsweek" and msnbc. thanks for putting some of the mails and nailing them to the wall. >> thank you. cash for clunkers program, breaking news, the senate in its final act before recess pass add bill for $2 billion in additional funding, vote 60-37. the house overwhelmingly approved that emergency funding for the $1 million program moving the money from other stimulus funds. many republicans tried to defeat the version with numerous amendments no no adetail. rebates for new cars with the
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trade of certain gas guzzlers will continue. the bill goes to the white house for the president's signature. putting aside the seriousness of health care e-form and what might be racism tidied up and made to look like anything but, the fascinating about the debate is juxtaposed what happened in washington, makes republicans look like drive-by opportune ifrts moving from booth to booth at a county fair stopping a fire throwing a few baseballs and milk carton in hopes of scoring a kewpie doll. the confirmation to sonia sotomayor was from the gop pronounced point of view the coming'sy apocalypse and just this side of george wallace and the why power party. today she was confirmed in the supreme court and the world dmoernl not end, nine republicans voted for her, and then moved on to the ring toss booth. t over it... [ engine rattles ] [ man ] love stinks! ♪ love stinks! ♪ yeah! yeah!
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the right called her a risist, wasn't that smart. the fourth on countdown, the confirmation of judge sonia sotomayor to the supreme court came and without with neither a republican bang or whimper. did the democrats just win something? didn't they just stave off the attack? giving them backbone? judge sotomayor becoming justice
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sotomayor. 59 democrat, senator kennedy unable to attend and nine republicans, graham, alexander, bond, snowe, greg and boyne vich voting to confirm ms. sotomayor. the third woman to ever sit on the court. minnesota's junior senate with "the call." >> on this vote the yeas of 68 and the nays are 31. the nomination of sonia sotomayor of new york to be an associate justice of the supreme court of the united states is confirmed. >> meantime, the president on the importance of that vote today. >> with this historic vote, the senate has affirmed that judge sotomayor has the intellect, the temperament, the history, the inintegrity and the independence of mind to ableably serve on our nation's highest court. i'm filled with pride in this achievement, and great confidence that judge sotomayor will make an outstanding supreme court justice.
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this is a wonderful day for judge sotomayor and her family, but i also think it's a wonderful day for america. >> the justice will be sworn in saturday by the chief justice, john roberts. tially take her seat next month replacing david souter who stepped down in june. from the nation's capital, washington correspondent. >> reporter: good morning. >> the gop went into hiding over this the last few weeks. didn't they? have they moved over to the health care bizarre? >> true. reached a point of no return publicly on opposing her, although i still shocked how many opposed her. you have to look how bad things are for the republicans among hispanics to realize the political implications of this, a poll last week showed that the approval rating of the republican party is 85% disapproval and 4% approval. i mean, you just -- it's very hard to get numbers like that. >> but they've done a good job.
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does this, the fact that there was no, you know, last-minute self-immolation, i mean, there were the nine votes. does this take the gloss off what would ord nirly be a triumph, first supreme court nominee and they get two-thirds of the vote, one way or the other? >> reporter: true. a little bit. washington is kind of like wall street in way. all about expectations and whether you beat expectations or not and the fact we all knew this was going to be a bit of a snooze, this vote today, means that it does take a little bit of -- takes a little bit of the shine off of obama's victory here. you know, even tonight we're still mostly talking about health care and that debate. so, yeah. i think you're right about that. >> the republicans did not throw everything they had at her the way they at the stimulus or are doing at health care. but will the fact that they sort of flatlined at the end be of some encouragement to democrats? because i don't think anybody would disagree democrats do not
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seem very comfortable with having a large majority in the senate? >> well, they had a weird strategy at the end. seems that republican bes, they voted overwhelmingly against her, but at the same time they stopped talking about it publicly. so it seemed like they realized that there was a certain audience they wanted to know that they were voting against sotomayor, mostly conservative republicans, especially for those who are up for re-election next year and might have a tough primary fight, but with the broader public and certainly with the hispanic voters, seemed they wanted to be quiet about what they doing on sotomayor. >> robert ma nen sez on think, republicans voted no. to say you can't vote sends a message to us as a community that we not forget. will the democrats forget? will the hispanic population forget? >> democrats are not going to let hispanic voters forget this for sure. you know, you have two big issues with the last five years where republicans have been on
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the wrong side of -- of a vote, hispanic voter interest. one is immigration reform and now this sotomayor vote. and you know, you have eight years of a republican white house single mindedly respect the party and six months later the administration is gone, their approval rating is in the toilet. going to take a long time to repair that. >> counting on the average life span of elderly white people to increase to 220. ryan, sorry to cut you off. thanks. >> no problem. thanks. hi, western union i'd like to send a ram gram, please. how they rescued the thing and thousand got there. it's okay now. and trying to rescue another horned thing. s that ahead on "countdown." mom was diagnosed with moderate alzheimer's.
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fwleft a moment and revenge on the persecuted. on this date, neil aldrin armstrong was born and the first man to step on any other object in space besides the earth, recorded as having said that's one small step for man, one giant step for mankind, meant to say for a man. listen carefully, sounds as if he said that's one small step for un man, he should have just shouted coca-cola and made himself $9 billion. let's play "oddball."
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we begin in -- we find a ram hooked on a wire by one of its horns 20 feet above the ground like an old pair of sneak. these picture, real. eventually rescued about being spoted by tourists. look, honey, a ram on a telephone. a single wire fence that begin on the side of the hill. for some reason connects to a telephone pole. for the play-by-play how this happened, the ram's owner, only speaks norwegian. doesn't need that much translation. [ speaking in foreign language ] >> the sound for -- which also applies here. the bbc program. reading the breakfast headlines in front of a live shot featuring the river thames.
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appears to be a white flash passing over the river and ditz appearing over the bridge. viewers contacted the network. no explanation for the flash. some say a bird, others going with alien spacecraft, others say it was a norwegian ram. still others believe it was the ghost of the celebrity carp that died earlier this week. swim towards the light, betty. a horror show continues. blackwater accused of hiring mercenaries experienced in ethnic cleansing and providing them with prostitutes. and senator cornyn is afraid the white house is trying to compile a list of e-mails of critics. isn't that of mr. bush's wiretapping? best persons in the world. dateline, new jersey, number three best cliche come to life. john of pennsylvania robbing the pnc bank there. released from prison,
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incarterated for robbing a bank, returning to the scene of the crime. and total absence of a sense of humor, ksl radio and tv news. salt lake tribune columnist casey joan wrote a farcical column on kids. a satirical suggestion you can have two children but a third would require you to buy accident insurance. on its website, they put up a story that took the editorial seriously and refuted it quoting an expert who said he felt sorry the tribune thought of his children as accidents, there are so many benefits for having a husband, wife, children and that the tribune conclusions were hogwash. well, they were. they were a gag. incidentally, i'm not sure the kl response was a gag, too, it's byline is, by mary richards. oh, mr. grant! >> and boulder, colorado, best revenge. dr. warren hearn, the last physician to openly provide late-term abortions in the
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country now that tiller was assassinat assassinated. says tiller -- tiller's death was a result of 35 years of "hate speech" against doctors it who perform pd abortions like the drum beat on fox about tiller the baby kill perp says more than that. quoting him, bill o'reilly is a disgray to american society, pull of blank, this is not a debate it's a civil war. and the other people are using bullets and bombs. i think he went on, o'reilly is a fascist and would fit right in in nazi germany as far as i'm concerned. there is-it-is. bim o'reilly will never understand the people who agree with him on tiller the baby killer do not stop at political action. they use bullets and bombs and he, o'reilly, has voluntarily associated himself with and encouraged them. damaged hair, , is crunchy.
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for the past two days we have relayed stories from two declarations filed by former employees of blackwater. spelled z, xe. the third picture and more
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detail about an organization, four-year executive known at john doe number two described as criminal to its very dna. designed by right wing evangelical founder eric chris to create a vast range of crimes, creating multiple company, basing offshore, changing names all the way from a to is. an accusation of child prostitution. first murder. former marine, i personally observed multiple incidents of blackwater using unnecessary, excessive deadly force. the driver not heading directly towards us. blackwater almost immediately began firing. outside baghdad, blackwater fired without cause repeatedly at a car. outside forward operating base war horse. blackwater opened fire with the illegal weapon on a vehicle near the gate for no reason. another shoot here had no reason for firing was bragging and
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gloating about his kill. from a former executive sworn deck clax, "mr. prince intentionally deployed to iraq certain men who shared his vision of christian supremacy. knowing and wanting these men to take every opportunity to murder iraqis. prince knew the men being deployed were not suitable candidates for carrying legal weaponry but did not care because deployments meant more money. supervisors sent men back to the states for reasons including they wanted to kill rag heads or rack up body counts, for xebsive drinking, scare roid use, failure to follow rules for leith's weaponry. mr. prince and would send them back with express instruction to stop costing the company money. one supervisor put the shooter to bragged about his kill on the do not use list, z took him off the list and put him back on the street. overrules those who raced warning flags firing them as well, terminated mental health professionals not willing to endorse deployments of unfit
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men. z hired at least 37 alumni of chilean dictator augusto, and recruits from the balkans were asked about. >> some linked to atrocities committed in croatia and kosovo and bosnia, and associates of milosevic. wonder if you could talk to me about that for a minute? >> to my knowledge we've never employed anyone out of -- out of those countries. >> quoting john doe number two, prince knowingly hired two person whose were previously involved in the kosovo sex trafficking ring to serve at relatively high levels with the company. in all, z "unnecessarily killed scores of incident iraqis." scores. and then covered it up according to john doe number one. blackwater failed to report the incidents. outside baghdad, blackwater misled the state department into believing it was a justified use of force. fob war horse, failed to report
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the incident and blackwater taped all of it, destroying every single tape afterward. he says. how far would prison go? it appears prince murdered or had murdered one or more persons who were planning to provide information to the prfederal authorities. both were in fear of their own lives, reporting z manager personally threatened pea with death. mr. prince rate operated a web of companies to obscure wrongdoing, fraud and other crimes. shredded and destroyed many indremenating documents, e-mails, transferred funds to avoid d.c. texas of his money laundering and tax evasions. smuggled weapons on mr. prince's private planes and revenue from illegal weapons trade. and resigned roy metinger, not willing to go to jail for prince. and schooled in deception, a top counter terror, some carried out on blackwater jets testified to congress the fbi had certain
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9/11 intel. this was not the case, the 9/11 report concluded. robert richards, cia deputy director, for psy-ops, denying the claim he helped forge a bogus iraqi document linking saddam hussein to the 9/11 hijackers. and pentagon inspector general, redacted names of bush officials it's a the request of bush white house blocking congress from investigating it. it was schmidt, john doe two tells us, investigate a dispute among execs at his headquarters. what wases that about? prince's north carolina operations had an ongoing wife swapping and sex ring which was participated in by many members of mr. prince's top executives. z operatives in iraq are the sunlt of even more lurid accusaiss. told you last night about the illegal ammo mr. prince allegedly smuggled to his men in iraq that pierced armor and detonated from the heat of warm flesh. hand grenades, launchers and
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small arm. claiming trial will show z distributed steroids and kept his enterprise unrubbing by having young girls provide oral sex to enterprise members in the blackwater camp in exchange for one american dollar. john doe two's declaration, frequently visited the camp during a trip yoercher sea, failed to stop uses of prostitutes including child prostitutes by his men. the company z denies everything, in late 2007, mr. prince told congress his company did nothing wrong. >> i stress to it american public, however -- that we acted appropriately at all times. >> just as he denied smuggling 900 weapons to which two z workers then pleaded guilty. just as he denied wrongdoing in the 2007 massacre of 17 unarmed iraqis in baghdad to which one of his shooters pleaded guilty admitting the iraqis were innocent. some running away or with hands
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up. still getting u.s. dollars for its last contract there, blackwater is two years later still in iraq today. tomorrow mr. prince's brand of devout christianity and blackwater's liberal modern day crusades. and corollary, when bush spied on americans it was good. obama offered to give honest answers through e-mail, trying to collect e-mail addresses. and the laugher curve explains medicare and medicaid are not government programs. and when rachel joins us at the top of the hour, talk to tim phillips, head of americans for prosperity. one of the groups staging protests at town halls. mr. phillips used to work with ralph reid and marketing for the 2000 bush campaign. full & thick from pantene. it just got the good housekeeping seal. you wanna know why? the full & thick collection really leaves the hair full. starting at the roots, your hair lifts up and away.
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highway delightful is this? monitoring the phone, mail and internet now claiming president obama is trying to create a list of the e-mail addresses of his
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critics by having people forward to it crazy e-mails with false criticisms of the health care plan. first the worst. yesterday lou dobbs promised his audience not to give me prepublicity. today he gave me 20 minutes of free publicity. lou and the worst, next. (announcer) this is nine generations of the world's most revered luxury sedan. this is a history of ove 50,000 crash-tested cars... this is the world record for longevity and endurance.
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this president to bet l get e-mails addresses of duz ps of lis critics. seriously. that's next. and worse person of the world. lou dobbs on the radio. here we go again. >> i'm going to talk a little bit about msnbc and how they've manufacture a story. when you hear the details you're going to -- i mean, these people at msnbc have moved so far to the left that would do almost anything seemingly to hold on to got graces of the obama white house, and their ideological thuggery allies. i mean, these guys are something. would it be a thuggery? an assemblage of thugs? i don't know. help me out. what would it be? what would be it a koven? >> some someone gets arrested that's not in the public arena? stick to lou. tell you about the time lou dobbs moved from cnn back to it
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the trying to conduct a stage to coup to become president of the network? later when we have more time. and cycle of race itch and go back to compare the president to nazis. hail hitler! need i go on? not really, no. but this is too much fun. edwards didn't mean to meet with the cabinet. he represented the will of the people and he was called the messiah. spoke through him. do you know that the very first law that hitler ordained was? lobsters. to be boiled. teamed to be less painful. the law was sent around to all restaurants. all this talk of boiled lobster got rush excited and turned the show over to his backup. loud crunching and slurping sounds were heard in the background of the studio. and one of ronald range's best named economic adviser, a notion tax cuts to the rich stimulated the company and the
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facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. gop accusing obama white house of collecting personal data of its political opponents. remember the irony award? biggest cheerleaders of the bush domestic spy program is suddenly worried about your privs pip in an effort to debunk the lies circulating about health care reform such as the obama plan will kill your elderly aunt mildred, an outreach program a call to action, a lot of disinformation about health care spanning from control of personal finances to end health care. if you get an e-mail or see something on the web fishy, send it to flag@white house.gov. and today's paranoia, jon cornyn's texas, compiling an enemy list, one e-mail address at a time. the truth squadding proposal, another example of obama spyware. he wrote to the president, you shue should not be surprised
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this raises the spect of a data collection program. justifies outrage and asking americans to forward e-mails critical of his policies for the white house. should mention the predecessor and the issue of senator because you seem to be all for president bush's warrantless wiretapping program noting back in 2005, none of your civil liberties matter much after you're dead. and joining me, democratic strategist chris. good evening. >> good evening, keith. >> let me start with that crucial point. assuming corn sn right and he's not, aren't all these internet addresses accessible because of bush the -- or was he only spying on democrats? >> i hope he wasn't only spying on democrats. i hope that's not the case. you've got to take what senator cornyn says with a grain of salt. after all, senator cornyn last month raised the specter of the threat from india to justify more funding for the f-22. i mean, in fairness, should have
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justified the threat from canada given the health care debate. take everything he says and put it in a different perspective. >> but this one is particularly juicy, because he defended data mining without people's knowledge during the bush years, but he's now opposed to voluntary sending of white house e-mails, because they might contain e-mail addresses of people who sent out e-mails full of disinformation. just -- i mean, nobody tapped himd on the shoulder and said this looks really bad, senator? >> you know, put aside the fact that the white house made clear no one's name or address is going to be collected, the point here to respond to the viral lies and misperceptions we know are already out there that are being fed by these various grass roots groups, calling them a nice fame, and that, i think, is a smart strategy from white house. we live in a 24/7 media environment. these viral lies can spread very fast. it is important i think critical
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froms white house, democrat perspective, to respond, know about them and respond hard and fast. >> to that point, also, republicans use fear of terrorism to make parts of the constitutional optional. you know that. we know that from years of vivid personal experience. now using fear of government intrusion to try stop the white house from correcting a record on health care reform. when do the democrats take control of this particular part of message and call the gop out not just on fearmongering, in this case, on sheer stupidity? >> the real battle we'll see play out in the next four-plus weeks especially over this hiatus during the summer. there's a silver lining to the tea baggers, birther, angry, fake angry mobbers. i think it's really em passioned the people out there, the overall majority of americans that want health care reform. the formal strategy coming out of the white house and the congress you'll see is an aggressive response and you're seeing a lot of americans
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speaking out and saying this is not reflective of what they believe. we actually want health care reform. wa want to actually deal with the crisis ignored for decades, did cornyn just in passing him briefly give away something he shouldn't have said? talking about the town hall uprising, saying a good thing. saying fear, i would say, perceives anger and a lot of people tell me they are scared of what they see coming out of washington. should we be anticipating that for the next two years, four years? that you have nothing to fear but all fears we can make you think of? >> yes. the reality is, fear is the republican party's favorite four-letter word. that's all they have. they have no idea, no alternatives opinion look at the health care debate. they've offered nothing subs in ative. this is where we have to respond aggressively and i think that's where you'll see from the white house, from the democrats. >> put an asterisk to your observation about four-letter words. not including senator -- >> thank you. that's "countdown" for this
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2,299th day since the president declared victory in iraq. good night, and good luck. and organizing the stifles, ladies and gentlemen, here is rachel madoff. >> good evening. a stifle sounds like something awful you use to get before inoculati inoculations. >> archie bunker used to get stifled on a regular basis. >> thank you very much, keith. nice to see you. thank you for tuning in. timothy phillips is the president of an organization called americans for prosperity. he will join us this hour, as keith said. the group that mr. phillips is head of is one of those groups we have reported this week as a corporate affiliated organizer of the anti-health care reform uprisings that are happening in places that used to host civic discourse. we're very glad that mr. phillips agreed to be here and he'll join us here live shortly. we begin tonight with a new ugly term and what was already a
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pretty ugly politician situation. the wave of angry mobs dispatched to shut down town hall meetings about health care reform appears to be attacking from aggressive ring mists towards the rest of violence. congressman brad miller, a democrat of north carolina, has received death threats over his position on health care. congressman miller's commune caucuses director talking points memo today "the call to the d.c. office was, miller could lose his life over this." congressman brian baird of washington, joining us live in a moment, also announced that he won't be scheduling any town hall meetings over the august recess because of what he called "a lynch mob meant a lot out there. there is an ugliness to it, he said. and for evidence of that ugliness, well, congressman frank, a freshman democrat from maryland, recently lynched in effigy by an anti-health care reform protester outsiis
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